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Companies are not going to lower their prices due to AI, you are delusional.

"Why would that matter?" - You're the one who brought it up, I just asked.

"So yes, you never said it did have to uphold your standards, only that it's shit for not doing so." - Exactly.

"you believe people to be using AI specifically for its ability to produce lower quality results compared to other tools" - AI isn't a tool, hence why lazy untalented people are jumping on AI en masse. It does the work for them and it does it quickly, that's the part that interests them. Quality doesn't interest them, they will publish this worthless slop endlessly.

"And yes, criticizing a gift is improper" - It's not a gift.

"I do, because it means quality stuff is made faster and more affordable, too" - It means more slop will be produced, not more quality stuff will be released. Companies are not going to lower their prices because they used AI, they'll only lower their costs.

"this platform still does not require projects to uphold your standards" - I never said it did.

"Why do you want to take something away from people who have a different opinion?" Because it's bad.

"on a side note, when you want to create something, you win once it's been created" - He didn't create anything, AI created it.

"so why would it not be a win for them?" Because they took a shortcut and released a two star rated game, they're a failure.

"If they ever decide that's not up to their standards, they'll certainly improve upon or redo it, if they have the time, or remove it, if they find it unpleasant enough" - They'll churn out AI slop on repeat and never think twice about it, like everyone who uses AI.

"I absolutely cannot stand a specific genre that floods the lists here" - What genre? 

"You believe people use AI *because* it produces low quality? That's a hot take right there..." - Yes, many people don't want to think or put effort into anything anymore, they just want to consume slop 24/7. Poorly made games are fine by them as long as they're made quickly so that they have a new set of keys jingled in front of them every day.

"you can, but it's improper" - No it's not.

"If you mean with effort and aiming for high-quality, then the usage of AI is not the limiting factor" - Yes it is.

"AI allows developers to focus on the qualitative parts of their game, i.e. the content instead of the code" - If that's true it doesn't show.

"How do you know they'll never fix them?" - Because they're the type of people to use AI to do their work for them, lazy and unskilled.

Being specific with your prompts doesn't make it any better.

"You can judge as in "have an opinion", not as in "decide what is right". - I never said otherwise.

"You can take it or leave it, but you can't tell the other party you want something better" - I can also criticise it.

"When you work on something as a hobby that is meant to entertain others, you want that out as soon as possible" - As soon as possible doesn't mean you need to rush, just that you don't waste time. Rushing is bad and leads to worse results and that's if you're even doing the work yourself let alone if you prompt it.

"that's a win for them" - It's rated two stars and they couldn't even make the game themselves, how is that a win?

"As you said, one more AI doesn't make a difference to us" - Using AI helps train it and publishing AI slop makes it harder to find something of value to play.

"Why would you accept not being able to complete a project if you *can* actually complete it" - They didn't complete it, AI did.

"So people are not allowed to publish anything that is not up to your standards" - It's not my standards, it's just basic English. "Doing something properly" and "half-finished" aren't the same thing, they're opposites.

 "I'd wager the latter" - It's both.

"Was it not you who complained about AI-slop being published on the platform they frequent?" - That's a complaint, not a demand.

"That aside, you are entitled to file a complaint if you paid for a product that was advertised as having had more effort put into than is true" - What product has been advertised based on the effort put into it, how would you even quantify that? 

"But that's also what enables those who make good games to produce them much faster or to add much more content" - People who are capable of doing good work don't need AI to do it for them. I don't want stuff made faster, Quality > Quantity

"so why complain to them about the tools they used?" - Because that tool is why this website has gone to complete shit.

"or "Some people doing something properly with AI is better than a bunch of people spamming out worthless AI garbage." Now, either is an objective statement I can agree with." - If it's made with AI it isn't done properly. All these AI games have the same UI and awful balancing, and the "devs" of these games will never fix these issues because they will never actually learn how to make games due to using AI as a shortcut.

"Using it as the tool it is, however, is assistance" - What does using it as a tool mean exactly and how does it differ from "having it done for you".

"You have no prerogative to restrict or in any way judge others' use of AI" - Obviously I can't stop them from using AI instead of learning how to do something but I can judge them for doing that.

"Never look a gift horse in the mouth" - Doesn't apply to AI slop, it isn't a gift in any sense of the word.

"For all you know, the dev might be a senior developer who spent an hour after work over the last months making this as a part time, passion project, precisely because he knew he could use AI to save him a lot of boilerplate and setup work" - This isn't the work of someone with experience, you can tell because; the game is awful, it was clearly made using AI and it's the only game made by this "dev". There's no rush to publish work that is done as a hobby so there's no excuse for using AI to save time.

"He likely would NOT have done so if it had taken up all his time. " - Oh no, what would we do without the 100th awful AI "game" published this week.

"Not everyone has the time to spare to dedicate to all the projects they want to see completed." Which is a normal part of life, accept it.

"had you not felt the need to specify "AI" solely one the side that is perceived as negative" - AI is a negative though.

"Creating half-finished products that don't have the most basic features because the devs had no time to add those doesn't automatically make them "good because handcrafted" - Hence why I never said otherwise. Creating a "half-finished product due to lack of time" doesn't constitute "doing something properly".

"Bad games have been spammed out for decades without AI" - And do you think AI will increase the amount of spam or decrease it?

"Assuming that a dev doesn't know how to program just because they use AI is nonsensical" - It's not an assumption, the quality of the game shows it clearly.

"Something being free changes everything. You are not entitled to demand anything you see being made according to your opinion" - I haven't made any demands, but you're not entitled to do that even if you paid for the game.

This game would exist without AI, all the dev needs to do is finish learning how to code.

Some people doing something properly is better than a bunch of people spamming out worthless AI garbage.

It's not assistance, it's having it done for you. 

Every game that's made with AI is awful and uses the same ugly UI, this will never change because these "devs" aren't going to improve their skills since the AI is doing the heavy lifting.

Something being free changes nothing, the issue is the use of AI not the price.

How does this qualify as a game?

This game could exist without AI, people have made games for years without a AAA budget or AI.

"Nobody's loss in having one more game"   Quality > quantity. There were already more games being made than you would have the time to play before AI. 

What difference does being AAA or not make? 

So learn how to code then

That's it?

Why even have clicking then?

Why?

Spam clickers were popular 10+ years ago because that was pretty much the only type of idle game made at the time. People quickly realised how annoying having to click hundreds of time is, especially if the game is advertised as "idle", so they stopped making them.

You have to spam click even after you unlock the skateboard which makes no sense, and upgrading your speed is pointless because it doesn't help you get more coins or automate earning coins, it just changes a number on the screen slightly, it doesn't interact with anything else.

This game is just a much worse version of "build a spaceship" by Hevipelle, in that game you earn money per second based on distance travelled, so upgrading speed is relevant and feels meaningful. Also the goal that you are travelling towards is clear.

Available upgrades changing and increasing in price every lap is awful design, just have a normal shop instead

Very cool!

Certain upgrades aren't clear what they affect exactly or how much, regen for example doesn't seem to be per second so it's not clear how much regen you're actually going to get from the upgrade.

Grinding 10 bits for a mere 10% speed increase is painful

Why are spam clickers still being made? And why is this tagged as idle?

Got to about 5m score then gave up, promotions resetting everything is too annoying.

Game needs another layer of some kind